03/01
If you were sold on the idea of another squad of players (in this case female players) concentrating their resources along with Notts CCC at Trent Bridge, where space for equipment is in short supply we are told (hence Notts CCC are in exile whilst Rockets fly over West Bridgford in August), then you might be interested in Blazers against Sun Uppers etc but the small print fails to tell you if a Nottinghamshire membership will gain you Blaze access to "home" matches, "only Trent Bridge home" matches or any at all of the Blazers matches. So why include a totally separate bunch of fixtures, mixed into the Notts games? Why not add the tea/coffee roster for the Trent Bridge House third floor coffee and biscuit club as well, or the Nottingham Rugby Club fixtures to fill those winter months? Perhaps some fixtures just aren't relevant to Notts CCC.
Before Covid and since Covid, the virtue of having a Lightning fixture doubled-up alongside an Outlaws fixture has been extolled, but thanks to mixing the Blazers' fixtures in with Notts Outlaws', we can see that that isn't something that officials wish to pursue too much as it would be too Rocketty and it might confuse further the already confused public. There's just one Blazers' game lined up as double header with the Outlaws at Trent Bridge, during Outlaws' frenetic Blast fixtures. There could could have been many double headers. [double headers are also scheduled at Derby and Leicester, I now understand but not highlighted in the Blazers' fixtures]
T20 in a flash
The Blast matches come to too soon, and too often and the competition is completed too quickly. Four out of the seven games at Trent Bridge come in a ten day blast at the end of May/beginning of June - Outlaws play three games in three days at one point, two of which are at Trent Bridge. If the same accelerated scheduling was applied to the Hundred...
... we could have 16 county championship matches again. The only thing that could make the Blast fixtures any worse would be being dictated to that we have to book our seats months ahead of games. After years of year on year growth in attendances at Trent Bridge, Lisa and her minions managed to curtail that trend in a flash in 2022. Hopefully the posse of accountants have had a word and pointed out that if the booking of seats was in such demand, how come less people showed-up at games? Fingers crossed that there aren't any communications from Michael Temple this closed season on this misadventure again.
The devalued 50 over competition remains under the jack boot of the ECB's flagship, so Notts remain on the road as a result with just one game at Trent Bridge. Grantham has been given the big E in 2023; perhaps someone noticed it was no better playing there than playing at any club ground that was actually in the county. Few facilities, miles from anywhere, lousy roads to get to it and no cakes. Hence, Welbeck gets three matches in 2023 where again there's few facilities, it's in the middle of no where, has a bottle neck nightmare car cark on a dangerous corner to contend with, but they do have cake.
For anyone not retired, the fixtures over all are pretty dire, with few opportunities at Trent Bridge at weekends. Even the Blast offers less opportunity with mad dash to get to games on a Tuesday and Thursday as well as a couple of Sunday games, with the accountants preferred Friday nights, restricted to just three matches. Is it time for a later start time at those Outlaws evening matches?
At least the ECB managed to get the fixtures published, but the $64,000 question remains unanswered. In the Championship, what are teams playing for? The county structure for 2024 and beyond remains undecided and the clock is still ticking...
HBD
The briefing also states that the Blast competition will commense on Saturday 20th May and also that Trent Bridge retains the rights to hosting the final for the one day cup.
The Cricketer states that the next Blast Finals day will be 15 July 2023 and that all the fixtures for 2023 will be released in three week's time!
So what does that mean?
2023 Championship season cannot start without counties knowing what they are playing for: a 2024 with 2 division or 3, a top division of 6, 8 or 10 teams, etc.
So, does it mean the structure for 2024 will be much the same as 2023 and 2022? Or, does it mean that the ECB are going to publish the fixtures for 2023 and then try and trash-out some kind of deal on structure, allow counties to consult with their members (taking into account the voting that has now got to happen at some counties) ahead of a formal vote of county chairs that has to gain a two-thirds majority (assuming changes to structure are desired by the ECB); all before the first ball is bowled in presumably April?
The ECB have had seven months to have discussions between county chairs on the HPR, consult members, have more discussions, finalise proposals and for chairs to vote on them, but we've been told no discussions have been had so far in the first two months.
Watch this space, but
DON'T HOLD YER BREATH!
(Just my opinions) 6 Nov 2022
November is usually the month when the fixtures for the next season in the new year are released. That's unlikely to happen this November, particularly if no discussions are taking place (ref: Notts EGM).
- the structure of competitions will be essentially the same as in 2022
- the schedule for 2022 was universally slammed, as it didn't work for anyone: players, supporters, England and the preparing of players for England in any format.
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ReplyDeleteAs Henry Kissinger famously said " the problem is the unknown unknowns !"
What are the long term " unknowns "at ECB Headquarters?
I'm reminded of another quote attributed to Dr Kissinger: "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac".
ReplyDeleteHere's another Kissinger quote “It is not a matter of what is true that counts, but a matter of what is perceived to be true.”
ReplyDelete“The absence of alternatives clears the mind marvelously."
Delete“ you never know who might drop in, Henry Kissinger or somebody “ basil fawlty
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ReplyDeleteThink Dr Kissinger is still alive ? Must be pretty close to reaching 100 not out?
We could do with his “ realism” and negotiating skills at ECB Headquarters . If he was able to sort out the conclusion to the war in Vietnam then sorting out the 2023/ 2024 cricket fixtures would be a piece of cake for him !?
You are right, in fact I think you’ve taken a hatrick there 75 , foxy
DeleteIs this a conflict of interest for Lisa being on NCCC committee and on the board of Trent Rockets. Does she ever disclose her interest when negotiating with the ECB over the HPR review or for that matter when reporting back to the forums when she says she is focused on what is best for NCCC. In parliament she would be sanctioned by the standards committee. You can’t have a foot in both camps. Time to make choice Lisa. Your position is untenable. Time to go!!
DeleteCEOs for Notts, Derbyshire and Leicestershire are all directors of Trent Rockets. Lisa P and Peter Wright are also directors of the company that owns Lady Bay Notts Sports Ground - not that that has led to any kind of investment in cricket facilities there, sadly. Some interesting former directors too https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/04597953/officers
DeleteIf that's a home fixture for Derbyshire how is that fair for there members to travel to Edgbaston
DeleteDCCC selling it as though it's somekind of benefit to their members, to have one less game at home. Thin end of the wedge for what's to come in 2024 is my fear. There would have to be more double headers for it to be innovative and fair.
DeleteAny Derbyshire members reading this welcome to comment, I am sure. We are all in the same bost.
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DeleteWill notts members have to get there T20 tickets in advance again ? Ridiculous idea .
ReplyDeleteIt was implied by Ms Pursehouse at the first Members Forum in 2022 that it would be the case again in 2023; but it was such a monumental failure in 2022 that only someone as pig-headed as our CEO would instruct her minions to continue with it.
DeleteI used to count the days till the fixture list came out , eagerly anticipating where we might be visiting on the circuit in the summer , still distant, to come. No longer I’m afraid, what could possibly whet the appetite these days? Precious little county cricket, no cricket at all in July and August at Trent Bridge, the ashes, none at Trent Bridge and all done before the summer holidays start! Foxy
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DeleteFingers crossed that we actually do get a few days play at Trent Bridge in 2023 - taking into account all other factors, Welbeck , Grantham , Scarborough , Isle of Wight, Arab States , Derby , Edgebaston ? Etc etc . Better get the Sat Nav set up !
Home games at Scarborough, there’s an idea , Durham have done it , why not us? , better than derby! Foxy
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ReplyDeleteEXCELLENT ARTICLE IN TODAYS DAILY TELEGRAPH- all about the latest thoughts and developments regarding the Counties , the ECB and the possible changing of the August 100 window.
MAG - can you re- print the article on here for those that missed it?
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ReplyDeleteThanks for putting out the re- print on another thread yesterday . Its a very long article which is open to interpretation and much speculation. But at least it demonstrates the power of ordinary Members when galvanised into concerted action .
1 match at Trent bridge in August yet 3 at welbeck 👎👎👎
ReplyDeleteIt’s Nottinghamshire county cricket club I support, has been since before my grandad took me to my first game in 1968; the rest of it I’m not remotely interested in . Foxy
ReplyDeleteYes HBD, I thought that also. I’m ok-ish being P/T and having flex-time but for anyone working full-time 9-5 mon-fri this does not represent value for money any longer in my opinion. You really would probably consider buying a white baller and then coughing up your £20 on the odd day of weekend play then assuming the game goes into Day4 and the weather is decent. Then of course, they give you 3 out of your 4 ODC games at a venue away from TB which is not the easiest of venues to attend.
ReplyDeleteBut of course(again) be part of the privileged as Notts Pravda term it and you can also now attend a womens Ashes Test Match(I’ve nothing at all against womens cricket it’s just not for me, personally), and 2 England mens 50 over games, one against the might of Ireland then you can watch the new Blaze(whatever that is Lisa P?) plus 4 games in the jolly old Hundred.
I sometimes scratch my little bonce and wonder how things have actually got to this level ?
Also, if Sir. Andrew and his HPR delegates conducted their review NOW what would their findings be? County cricket is the best thing since sliced bread and no reduction is needed as England have won an astonishing 8 out of the last 9 Test Matches and this very same system has now brought through Duckett, Pope, Brook, Foakes, Robinson, Leach who are all playing well now at this level to go alongside Root Bairstow and Stokes who, ironically the system also brought through quite nicely). It’s easy to panic after an Ashes series in their own back yard where we very rarely do well anyway and come to the conclusion the whole domestic structure needs ripping up and changing so drastically. Now we’ve won 2 Tests back to back on the subcontinent for the first time ever I wonder what the HPR are making of their recommendations now? It’s amazing how things can turn around in just a year in sport.
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ReplyDeleteSome common sense there from ORAC and HARRY B D. For those NOTTS ccc supporters with basic Mon to Frid 9 to 5 jobs it's going to be a pretty flat and lack lustre season . How many actual days Cricket can they watch at TB in 2023?
NOT A LOT !
Michael Temples name has cropped up . I cannot believe he and his advisors will insist on advance booking for Blast 20 matches - especially as they are no longer sell out matches . I emailed Michael T last week about the 3 Cup matches at Welbeck . I suggested a supporters coach be organised if the demand was there for the three matches . Members and supporters could be canvassed in the next few weeks by email to see if the necessary demand is there.
With current temperatures apparently set for minus figures , then a day out at a warm and sunny Trent Bridge watching Fletch relentlessly pounding up and down , sweating cobs, suddenly seems a long way away!!
We need to know, as referenced above, the structure of 2024, before 2023 starts .
ReplyDeleteCan't have another season with any doubt over promotion/relegaton criteria, and a nasty shock in the close season !