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Dusted off from the archives, an example of how comments were made less than five years ago. Those same setting are in place now.
This isn't perfect but shows how the existing settings can be used to allow multiple threads within threads to be followed even when we don't have any context.
Have a try at giving your future comments a name, so we can all follow discussions or questions and answers between different people. If we could mostly manage to do it then, why not now?
RIP PJ aka Phil aka Philip Measures - who was the chief thorn in the side of Mr Tennant for a while in 2019-2020.
Was Pravda even more .... back in 2016? When RT was crowned Chairman...
Oldest on debut for Notts, since 2000
ReplyDeleteGary Keedy 39yrs 277 days on debut
Ali Brown 39yrs 69 days
Peter Trego 39yrs 50 days tomorrow.
Samit listed at number 8 on the downloadable scorecard on the Trent Bridge website with Zak Chappell missing out. A sad reflection on his performances over the last couple of seasons.
ReplyDeleteI would be surprised if that eleven is correct, but if it is, we are going in very batting heavy - maybe just wanting not to lose the first match. Evison at 9 - as far as I am aware he is mainly a batsman but does bowl some brisk medium pace.
ReplyDeleteUnless he is injured, why has Patterson White not been selected .
ReplyDeleteI seem to remember , that along with Ashwin, he was our most consistent performer during the latter stages of 2019.
More downtime for the Chappel of Rest.I wonder if Leicester would want him back as a loan ?
After almost a year had forgotten just how bland and tedious a commentator Dave"I'll blow smoke up the players backside" Bracegirdle was. I'm going to record his commentary on a separate device and then when I can't sleep at night I'll unleash him. No need to count sheep anymore. Had always thought, very similar to last time we were back in Div. 2 the batting would fire. You could argue some are above this standard but not yet consistent to perform in Div. 1 and we have Debyshire, Leicestershire and Durham in our weak group ?To me, the real problem is the bowling. It's hammer house of horror stuff with no overseas and the absence of a world class spinner. This is obviously why we've packed the batting order.
ReplyDeleteWhich of these batsmen, not a single one of which averages 40, despite in many cases, playing most of their cricket in the Second Division, can we expect to "fire"? I do hope Hameed can make it as his talent before the slump (or before he got to the point where only Notts would want him) was positivley iridescent and it would be a joy to see him bat like that for us but if you have, or choose to assemble, a side in which no batsman averages 40 you are unlikely to have enough runs for even the best attack to bowl at.
ReplyDeleteDid anyone believe that the best approach to our 2019 performance was more of the same? Does anyone now, when 120 odd for none has led to a highly possible sub bonus point total against a Derbyshire attack with less first class wickets than Stuart Broad has test wickets?
and can we have Samit back at 5 please?
DeleteAnd a good innings by Jake Ball - not seen him score like that very often
ReplyDeleteGreat recovery. Great signs from Evison. Great day's cricket. If we get one tonight we will hopefully be up for it in the morning. And per the cliche hopefully Jake Ball's bowling will be inspired by his good knock.
ReplyDeleteHameed shots I saw on line a total delight.
ReplyDeleteReally looking at scores round the country Notts did OK, but still a middle order collapse to try to sort out
Can we take 10 wickets tomorrow?
ReplyDeleteHello Anonymous 15.12 posting. When I said fire i didn't mean all at the same time. I take your point as to their career averages as they are there for a reason. I was basing it more on the last stint in Div2 when Patel and Wessells or Mullaney etc would all produce something spectacular at different times, that set us up for a big total. I fully expect that with Hameed, Ducket and Clarke. I think they will all produce something over the BWT games. We are playing against some very average bowling attacks in 3 matches at least. They are not consistent however, but packing the side with batsmen will surely result in competitive totals like yesterday, even when we were the brink of the usual batting collapses of the last two seasons. Patel batting 8 does seem ridiculous but look how he slipped down the order the last time we won the County Championship back in 2010. My main point was the bowling is more of problem. We had Patto at his devastating best last time in DIv2 blowing sides away. Look at what we have now.
ReplyDeleteThere's a hole in Ben Duckett dear Lisa..........
ReplyDeleteWell done to Notts for upgrading the first class visual streaming yesterday . A big improvement on last season and no doubt a costly upgrade- which is not exactly what Notts need at this difficult time financially .
ReplyDeleteI think Dave Bracey said there were four camera operators on the ground - so the new system is an ongoing extra expense . Apart from the pictures ( with instant playback ) it was re assuring to hear the dulcet tones of Bracey and Fletcher gently easing us into the 'new" season . Dave B has his critics ( I have been one of them) but he certainly knows and loves his cricket .
Lets hope Notts can bowl Derbyshire out cheaply and then pile on runs in the second innings and force Derbyshire into a tight corner and thus seal a well overdue 4 day victory .
I am hoping that Jake Ball can return to his best form . A few lusty blows with the bat yesterday shows what he can do lower down . Notts will need a fit and fast Jake Ball more than ever this shortened season . Fletch is not getting any younger and may be prone to niggles that prevent him playing .
Anyway it was wonderful to see Notts playing again at Trent Bridge and it looks as though the next three days will be rain free and we can see a positive result - A WIN FOR NOTTS !
For all the Manchester Utd fans out there(i.e. armchair supporters) I imagine this is wonderful for them, especially those who do not subscribe to SKY as they can now watch Notts from the comfort of their sofa. For the fans that go to the games to support and watch their team play, this is scant consolation. In fact in a way it's even more irritating than not playing the games at all as we are now seeing Trent Bridge with live action but unable to get into the ground.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad it's not just me PP. Allowing yourself it be irritated by it all is probably better than being dragged down into a glum sulk or depression over it however - all that potential social distancing going to waste and we can't be there because of the non-existant science theory- made up by Boris on the hoof. Why are they sanitising their hands every 6 overs? The virus isn't on any surface inside the playing area, it's not airbourne, so where are they at risk of picking up from to get it onto their hands?
DeleteCome on Notts! You'd have to think Derbys and Durham at Trent Bridge are our best chances to notch a first class win in this truncated season.
ReplyDeleteIf they can't do it, that will be ONE THOUSAND AND SEVENTEEN DAYS without a first class win (i.e. from the Essex win in 2018 to opening day of the 2021 season) - that would overtake Leics 2012-15 as a post-war record in county cricket. Something to be avoided!!
So I hope they throw everything at the afternoon sessions today, because this result really matters.
Yes, agree, if the weather doesn't intervene how can we NOT win this game ? We're against a traditionaly weak Div2 outfit minus two regular first team bowlers and no overseas ? Even this toothless Notts attack should surely be able to take 20 wckts in this game. Good to see Jake Ball back in the wckts. Too early to say he's back to somewhere approaching his best but a welcome confidence booster for him in his first game nonetheless
DeleteWhilst the streaming is better than last year, the limitations of the two fixed cameras still mean that catches and fielding within the one-day 30 yard circle are not visible. Both the catches from Chris Nash and Haseeb Hameed today were off-camera. Would also be nice to see replays of wickets on the live stream as opposed to having to look back at them separately. Also anyone else noticed the distinctly dull pink tinge on the fixed cameras?
ReplyDeleteReally poor picture quality from the fixed cameras - surely Notts can do better than this - almsot as bad as they are at getting Derbyshire's last wicket!!! All the empty seats makes a nonsense of not allowing at least some spectators in - come on Boris!
ReplyDeleteSame flawed tactic that gifted Trego a ton not so many years ago against Notts. They're not trying to get du Plooy out so he he can flash the bat with impunity and he's accepted the ton accordingly. The kid at other end has shown that he can hang around, but they still don't have the courage to change the tactics.
ReplyDeleteYet further poor captaincy by Mullaney - we all know that Samit Patel is an excellent stand breaker - so why only bowl him for 4 Overs? Good captaincy is learning from the past - Mullaney is failing to do so.
ReplyDeleteIn fairness A699 just about every county uses that appalling tactic nowadays and it just never works. Absolutely exasperates me that Lancashire do it so often. Once when Lancashire were doing it, Tom Smith came down to the Boundry and said to the spectators “any ideas”. I responded with precisely what A609 said, ; we just weren’t trying to get Jimmy Adams out and Hampshire’s slow left armer whose name escapes me( went to Sussex I think ) was playing the one or two balls per over easily . Tom Smith actually replied to me by saying that they had come round to that conclusion now although he said “he’s never really looked like getting out has he” Completely missing the point that batsmen don’t look like getting out if you stop trying to get them. Anyway soon afterwards Adams was caught behind for 195 but the next time the same thing happened, Lancashire did exactly the same.
DeleteHow is it that we swapped Ben Slater leaving for Trego joining? Was it for the quality of his bowling. Another masterpiece of cricketing know how that escapes amateurs like me perhaps. I thought that Ben was the pick of the newcomers during last year's shambles.
ReplyDeleteSlater looked good today but it really was just a workmanlike second division attack he was facing.
ReplyDeleteAs were we I think
ReplyDeleteYes, agree the armchair brigade must be loving this......the rest of us are just frustrated we can't be at the games
ReplyDelete366 to win - if they don't then heads must surely roll.
ReplyDeleteI didn't know that Trego was an opening bowler. Is it smart captaincy?
ReplyDeleteWhat captaincy!!!???
DeleteUp to now thought mans greatest invention was the wheel. Wrong. It's the mute button. It's like listening to an episode of Last of the summer wine but with the humorous bits taken out ?
ReplyDeleteIndeed Pj re captaincy I have to confess to irony bordering on satire. It's going to be tough for even Notts to conjure a draw or even defeat having set over 350 for a club side like Derbyshire to achieve in a fourth innings. Can it be done?
ReplyDeleteShows what we have come to when a team we would in the past have beaten comfortably look very much like they could win this match.
ReplyDeleteSo what do we need to do?
Captaincy seems to lying heavy on Mull's shoulder, Might it not be an idea to pass on the responsibility to Chris Nash and let Mullaney concentrate on his own game.
Next we come to our two expensive imports of last season,You never get a feeling of security when either Duckett or Clarke are batting Perhaps they need to look at Hameed and see how much he values his wicket, Both batsmen need to learn to punish the bad balls and learn the secret of a big score is crease occupancy, You can't score runs in the pavilion.
Hopefully Fletch will be fit for the next fixture We have clearly missed his attributes in this fixture.
Speaking of missing players where are LPW and Matt Carter, Given we are.now in August surely there should be a case for a spinner, Yes I know Samit turns his arm over but really he should be in the side for his batting and certainly higher in the order than in this match.
Tom Barber looks to have good pace, But accuracy is not his game,One thing we can ill afford at the moment is someone spraying it about. Either TB needs to sort out his line and length problems or his stay will be sadly short.
Thankfully there is no county championship this season,If there was you get the horrible feeling we might replicate last seasons dismal showing and finish bottom again... This time one division lower!!
One last thing before I go.... Get Benny Slater back from Leicestershire, We need him more than they do!
Also how did such a promising young bowling attack turn into one where a 39 year old trundled is opening the bowling, you couldn’t make it up!
ReplyDeleteNotts odds on to lose this one, great work lads!
ReplyDeleteImagine a bowling attack of Milnes, Wood, Hutton, Ball, Fletch, how can Mick defend his position?! (Answer is he can’t), right I’ll stop now
ReplyDeleteWhy am I getting a bad feeling again about how it's going to pan out
ReplyDeleteI still favour Notts to win - the target is a huge one for Derbyshire but part of me hopes Derbyshire win to increase the pressure on our feeble Committee to get rid of Mr Newell.
ReplyDeleteAnd just for the record - yes, I still blame the Members for continuing to support the Committee and refusing to make the Committee account for their age discrimination tactics to prevent 2 of us even standing. The Notts Committee is, I fear, a rather unhealthy one with the 'old boy' network still very much evident. I still don't know of anyone who voted for Ms. Huggard. The sooner we get the right sort of Chairman and a far more questioning and pro-active Committee the better but by the members voting for the new Nominations Committee I fear that there is even less prospect of positive change. Mr Stevenson and Ms. Peasey are up for re-election next time - we must vote them in.
ReplyDeleteEven in these days of team scoring 300 in a silly small number of overs in one day cricket, I still always tell them on the Lancashire forum that the bowling team will win nine times out of 10 in these circumstances. I would still favour Notts to win But certainly will not look good for either Notts or Lancashire if either loses to one of cricket whipping boys.
ReplyDeleteI see the stupid tactics used by Notts yesterday were also used by Derbyshire today with the same result. Why do cricketers never learn this lesson?
Yes, I also think we will win pretty comfortably today. Granted, it's not even an half decent attack, but scoreboard pressure in a 4th innings run chase is huge and that's a monster score to chase down. Everyday is different, they will most likely lose an early wicket which could then become two and suddenly the complexion of the game changes. Reg. Davy Rev above, yes, astonishing even with Fletch(and let's face it he's an average county pro that's all) injured and no overseas to put this attack out in any game is a complete shocker for our beloved Teflon Mick and most of the committee who continue to back him despite the abysmal results in red ball cricket over the last few recent seasons
ReplyDeleteOvercast conditions always help the Bowlers so I think that Notts may well be helped today by the weather rather than by any talent on their part.
DeleteWe can all bemoan the quality in the Notts attack, but it's the tactics and team culture that are as much of a worry.
ReplyDeleteIf you have a wayward quickie like Barber in your side, don't you throw him the new ball and demand four overs of short and rapid stuff at the openers? Don't you give him a leg slip and a short leg and really back him to get in the batters' ribs?
If you must use Trego bowling slow/medium, don't you tell Moores to stand up to him and bring in stumping as an additional dismissal? He's slower that Ealham was, and I remember Reed keeping up to him regularly. The same goes for Mullaney - an 'international keeper in waiting' like Moores should have no problem standing up for these guys.
And on culture: I know its a closed ground, but why were Notts so quiet in the field yesterday evening? A massive lead, four months stuck at home and our best chance for a win in years, and in the field there's no noise at all. It was like Sunday seconds in intensity.
Fingers crossed for a big improvement in application this morning, and a desperately overdue win in the early afternoon!! Come on Notts.
Well said 'JimM' - totally spot on.
Delete"Come on Derbyshire!!!"
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DeleteBoth Derbyshire and Notts have used there wayward quicks in a similar fashion. Very strange not to use there effect to the maximum advantage with a new hard ball - yes they would leak runs (but that happens anyway if you use them) but they might pick-up wickets. Using Trego to open the bowling is a complete joke and highlights the shortcomings of those who have built the current squad over the past few years.
ReplyDeleteLooking like a draw but Derbyshire now only need 100 at around 4 per Over - "Come on Derbyshire."
ReplyDeleteNearly 1100 watching on-line - will Derbyshire make history? Serious questions will have to be asked if Notts non-winning run continues.
ReplyDelete54 needed at a run a ball by Derbyshire with 3 wickets remaining - fascinating!!!
ReplyDelete40 from 42 now!
ReplyDeleteNow just 23 off 29 - I have to say that Derbyshire are showing real courage.
ReplyDeleteHeading now towards an historic Derbyshire victory - really historic if they pull it off "Come on Derbyshire."
ReplyDelete2 from 2 so Notts can not win.
ReplyDeleteWell played Derbyshire.
ReplyDeleteA fabulous and fantastic win by Derbyshire - their highest run chase of all time! No Notts supporter can fail to appreciate this historic victory at the end of a wonderful 4 days BUT where do Notts go from here? - The most serious questions have to now be asked and I am clear that the Director of cricket must now go along with others probably.
ReplyDeleteHell would probably freeze over before our "esteemed" leader decides to do the right thing PJ.
DeleteSad facts is that he has allies all around him,Any decent CEO would have called him to task a long time ago.
We all know why that's unlikely to happen!
Add to that a committee that lacks anything resembling a backbone and you can see why MN can sleep easily at night.
It says it all when you look at the Notts team in this match and realise that perhaps only 3 players can be truly satisfied with their performance, You don't tend to win many matches with those sort of figures
We said last season Notts needed to act decisively They didn't and we saw today what's likely to happen again and again until the committee institutes real change...
Just don't hold your breath waiting....
Well played Derbyshire. Every credit to them.
ReplyDeleteNew season for Notts but same old rubbish.
Funny how, even this week, players who are now at other counties are doing really well but those at Trent Bridge underperform. Embarrassing is the only word for it.
You are correct 'Anonymous' that once players leave Notts they seem to invariably do better - that has to raise serious questions about the Coaches and the Director of Cricket. It seems that whatever pressures they were under at Notts evaporate and they start to prosper - let's hope the reverse happens for Hameed on his arrival AT Notts.
DeleteYes totally agree about Derbyshire, superb for them and no sour grapes.
ReplyDeleteNotts are a basket case. Last season Patterson-White took 40 FC wickets at 20 apiece. On day 4 in August you need to have at least one wicket taking spin bowler. Patel is no longer that , worth his place as a batsman, but not a bowler in the FC game.
The selection of Trego and Nash is too much, team too old and slow .We need youth and new blood. Duckett is doing nothing
The situation is so bad, I bet they drop Joey Evision, the club have become that stupid
I think that again Mullaney's captaincy has to be questioned - did her persist for too long at the end with Ball and Patel when the batsmen had clearly got used to them?
DeleteThe positives that Notts can take from this game were the return to form of Jake Ball, the application of Hameed, Samit at his fluent best and the promising all round talent of Evison.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, Ball by in large had to carry an ill equipped bowling attack for a four day game, and in terms of batting, the same culprits failed again as they repeatedly did last season.
For me Duckett lacks technique and application, Clarke looks a soft cricketer, and young Moores gets frustrated too easily when he gets bogged down.
With limited bowling options, I would have thought that preparing a pitch for spin would be Notts best prospect of competing for the forthcoming fixtures, and selecting both Carter and Patterson White, at the expense of Duckett and Barber.
I'm struggling to remember a lower point in Notts history. I go back to Brian Bolus et al so it's quite a while. Surely now the triumvirate in charge will step down as their disastrous management has delivered us one humiliation after another. It's enough please go.
ReplyDeleteHave well hit rock bottom yet?
DeleteOf the 16 defeats since our last victory, that was the narrowest.
DeleteRock bottom? No - that was only the first match of the season.
DeleteOK -'David' - so when did Notts last WIn a County Championship game? It matters not that this is 'only the first match of the season' but that it IS another in a long disatrous line of failing to win. Members have received too many excuses from the Director of Cricket and the Head Coach - there are NO MORE EXCUSES which will satisfy members and I hope no more that our feeble Committee will accept. THEY have a responsibility to ensure matters improve - so what is Jason Gallian doing still on the Committee along with Peter Wright; Chairman Richard and others who continue to demonstrate a spineless approach?
DeleteI suspect David means, it's the first match of the season so we can drop even lower. A defeat against the Tykes wouldn't necessarily mean a lower point than now but a defeat against Leicestershire ..... well
DeleteYes, that is what I meant. I can see a difficult couple of months ahead.
DeleteI suspect Newell and Moores were secretly hoping that this season would be called off, so that they could both still draw a decent salary without any inquisition.
ReplyDeleteIf we get stuffed by the Yorkies, which is likely, the cries for their joint dismissals will get louder and louder
If you had been undecided about taking a refund of your Membership, they have probably done you a favour.
DeleteBut Peter Moores is "proud" of this Notts performance - should he be?
DeleteThis team is absolute garbage full of old timers who offer nothing and big time charlies who offer even less, things will only change by getting rid of Moore’s and Newell and that aint going to happen, genuinely have no hope for this team
ReplyDeleteJust as I thought it would pan out last night another embarrassing loss but well played to Derbyshire . As per usual no criticism from the girdler
ReplyDeleteI have just watched Peter Moores quixotic post-match review on the Notts website, full of its bouncings back and good shifts and key moments won. It seemed an intensely relaxed summation of a major defeat to a lowly (if very competitive and organised) local rival. Hmm.
ReplyDeleteThe only purpose of the next month must surely be to blood the squad that will go on to win Division Two in 2021. There is nothing else to focus on or play for, and there shouldn't be any other ambition for the management.
So the main question facing the club must be 'is the current squad as good or better as the one we needed to get promoted in 2017?'
If the answer is 'yes', then they can use this month as a chance to hone a style of play, tactics, and bowling/batting partnerships. It's a great practice opportunity.
But if the answer is 'no', then a very big set of changes are needed. A new plan, a la the Andy Flower turnaround strategy, must be required if we're not to join our counterparts in the perpetual bottom three of Div 2.
It's so upsetting to say that, when listening to Mr Moores and watching his FC sides on the field, I have no sense that there is any strategy, plan, or wider ambition there at all. It's sport on autopilot, played by a team that might look a million dollars in the nets but have no belief in itself in the middle.
Ramble over! Loved the live feed improvements though, and brilliant to have some cricket on to grumble over.
Pete Moores is unrecognisable from the bloke that came to us from Lanky a few seasons ago now, initially as coaching consultant. He probably doesn't know what to say with the current mob of old timers, under achievers and arch bottlers. Full credit to Direbyshire. Small outfit, low budget and get their best players nicked by other counties. Teflon Mick apparently joked we had signed players from P*** Poor counties at the Gala Dinner ceremony I believe. Would it not be more accurate to describe him as VERY P*** Poor Director of Cricket supported by a committee who are now surely an embarrassment to this great club of ours ?
ReplyDeleteDerbyshire did well and used all the resources they had at their disposal and played it to a tea. I enjoyed the live stream , less is more in terms of replays and great not to be interrupted by adverts.
ReplyDeletedon't think I can add anything more to most of the other comments above.
Unlucky Notts. All eleven played with the pride, commitment and passion we've been promised all year. Winter recruitment impeccable. Unable to criticise anything, for once, this time out.
ReplyDeleteWhen was the last time you read in a report "... inspired captaincy by Skipper Steven Mullaney"? You won't find one, I've googled it! So where do you think the on field problems might start?
ReplyDeleteWe all know where the off field/external counter-to-success influences are!
We are unlikely to make the final of this one-off competition now so let's prepare for 2021 and make the drastic, necessary changes now!!
Yes, well said A609 I completely agree, although who on Earth could captain this rabble any better must be debatable. Also you're overlooking two small aspects A) the club care about members and red ball cricket and B) the Notts committee care about the club and its members as they clearly do not, the exceptions to this are members D.P. and R.S. who do genuinely care and are committed. I assume they must be let down by their other colleagues as to why nothing ever changes despite this run of disaster results and performances
DeleteThe committee up to this point have been elected by the members. So we get what we deserve. (some might question the legitimacy of the count perhaps, but we only mix within our own circle of friends at the Bridge and can't evaluate others that we have no connection or contact with - they too might be complete muppets, but they might actually believe the twaddle that we are being told). The club is doomed however once there are anymore of LP's and RT's stooges on the board. We won't just be just slipping into the abyss (as now), we'll be sliding. Metaphor Time: If we are going to make a decent, tasty ommelette, we need to not only crack some eggs, but get fresh ingredients and for that matter let's get some new utensils and cooking pan. The Trent Bridge chef needs a new recipe as well or perhaps Trent Bridge needs a new chef.
ReplyDeleteApart from RS & DP I wonder who else has the courage to put their heads above the parapet and speak out. Is P F-M on the right side? Are the 2 ladies just stooges for the CEO? Why was PW persuaded to stand again for the Committee other than to try to make sure Chairman Richard got his way. The Director of Cricket in his statement about "p.ss poor sides" was surely including Notts in that!!!The Committee now needs to act and get rid of MN and PM on the grounds of poor performances over the last 2 Seasons - in any contest over alleged Unfair Dismissal I am sure that the Club would be successful. Our Head Coach was "proud" of yesterday's defeated Side - it makes me wonder what would dent that pride - perhaps Notts only losing by an Innings! We are in dire trouble - it is just 'more of the same' - there remains something deeply worrying and troubling at the highest levels in the Club - we urgently need new personnel on the Committee and at CEO / DoC levels.
DeleteYes, Metaphor Man you are spot on with that but how many members really know who they are voting for, if they even bother voting at all ? A lot have impressive CVs and resumes based on their professional and business careers but of these just how many are really committed to the performances of the Notts team on the actual field or standing up for the county red ball members ? Up to this year everything in the garden was rosy in terms of club finances, meaning poor results for the team could just be swept under the carpet with no repercussions seemingly. Will there be some sort of shake up at some point now? We have had no money spinning international games at TB this season, very probably no spectators spending at T20 games and this would be massively reduced capacity even in the best case scenario and by all accounts(no pun intended) a loss making fine dining Restaurant that we would appear to be saddled with.
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ReplyDeleteWhy delete your supportive comments about Steven Mullaney Richard? Your comments are always fair, valued, relevent and welcome.
DeleteI support Steve 100 %
DeleteSorry for any misunderstanding on that, he is a top guy and proud he is skipper of our team
I deleted as I thought my post just repeated what others had already said
And thank-you
DeleteIf only someone could speak the truth. Disgrace of club from top to bottom.
ReplyDeleteRef the Notts v Derby match that ended yesterday . THE WINNER WAS CRICKET !Notably the 4 day game .I agree both sides are mediocre in most departments but they produces a fine game of cricket - the type of which we have sorely missed in recent months .All those watching the excellent live stream and listening to Bracey and Fletch,s ball by ball commentary must have been drained when the match ended . With only a few balls to go it was possible to get three different results - and that after four days play .
ReplyDeleteOk - some passages in the game itself were tedious and slow but surely the four day game has bound to have periods when very little is happening . This is when the commentators have a difficult job . I did notice this time that during the whole 4 days only TWO commentators were used - . last season there was always three and sometimes four . Is the reduction part of a "cuts" package or was it more to do with social distancing ? Probably the latter. But it cant be easy to make four days of play interesting and constantly informative .I have been critical of Dave Bracegirdle in the past but I think on balance him and Derbyshires Fletch did a reasonable job . Dave is obviously friendly with all the players and it could be difficult not to put the players backs up by saying what sometimes needs to be said .Do you really bite the hand that feeds you ? Its a tricky one -and we all have our opinions .
To be honest ,after all these Coronavirus ups and downs it was a relief to actually see and here some proper cricket being played .
I suppose being realistic there is now zero chance of any spectators being allowed in to T B to see any County cricket this year . I would hazard a guess at perhaps a 25% chance os some members being allowed in to watch some of the Blast20 competition .
Looking at the various news headlines today there seems to be a real chance of a second wave of infection in the UK .Its happening now in other parts of Europe .
So lets congratulate unfashionable Derby on a thrilling victory yesterday - played in the right spirit by all accounts . As for Notts - well the wretched losing run goes on and on .
Well done to the Notts players who gave their all - Jake Ball and Samit in particular plus one or two others who played well . As to the ones who were pretty mediocre -- well they know who they are .
Lets wish Notts the best of luck and somehow generate the will and skill to beat
Yorkshire over the weekend
PS Just a footnote - I wonder if anyone on here took advantage of the 50/1 available odds on Derby to win the match ? Those odds were only offered for an hour or two but with hindsight Rodney we would all be m++++++++++s !
That's very generous of you 75no. I'll have to work very hard to feel positive about the decline of the club, that I love, as was displayed v derbys. I'll try as soon as my anger subsides
ReplyDeleteI agree with 75 no it was so good to see cricket again and an enthralling match, albeit a bit of a featherweight contest. Cricket behind closed doors is not a concept that originally sat comfortable with me but it's far better than no cricket at all. The game dynamics though are different, would for instance Derbyshire have successfully chased that target with a crowd in at the game, obviously we will never know, but even a small crowd can put pressure on batsman and bowlers doing the key phases of the play. It's almost as if in future you have to asterisk against any record achieved in 2020 with a footnote of Played behind closed doors.
ReplyDeleteIf you look around the Bob Willis Trophy many weak elevens were out on the pitch due to the greater than normal number of players on international duty, a less than normal number in the kolpak contingent and no overseas players. It makes the tournament a bit of a Mickey Mouse affair almost five glorified first-class friendlies. With no second team competition this season, teams are forced to give their fringe players, particularly those on the last year of their contract some game time, hence the inclusion of Barber in the Notts line up. I expect to see other fringe layers given a go in the remaining games. My understanding is that there is no prize money for winning the BWT whereas there is money on offer for the Blast. We all know where Notts priorities lie.
I think Dave Bracegirdle and his sidekick Fletcher did a very good job, it's not easy for anyone to keep talking for four long days, it's hard work and they certainly don't get paid Gary Lineker rates, if you don't like them then mute them!
I would beg to differ on the subject of Statler and Waldorf - Dave and Dave. Sometimes, less is more with commentary. You don't need inane ramblings all the time and get them a monitor so they can inform on what we can see not blather on about EMA landngs and take-offs every quarter of an hour.
DeleteNotts default position, if you get beat it's a Mickey mouse competition. Not sure Yorks are seeing it that way on Sat when they arrive with Bairstow, Malan,Olivier and Willey. Thank God for Notts Coad, Fisher and Ballance are injured. All from top to bottom at Notts have to accept they are currently at the standard of Derby, Leics and Glam.
ReplyDeleteWell said A46(N) people can bang on, myself included, over DoubleCorsetts bland commentary and the frustrations of having to watch it streamed.....the real problem is the current Notts team surely ?
DeleteVery well said both 75no and Mag, agree with both contributors 100 percent. But as for the state of Notts cricket................well, that's a completely different story
ReplyDeleteIf it's the case that players with one year to run on their contacts are getting time in the middle in "competitive" matches, does this mean that Blatherwick will be playing against the Yorkies?
ReplyDeleteI agree Bracegargoyle is best heard on mute.
Would like Bkathetwick to play. In his one match last season I thought he bowled pretty well and his figures perhaps reflect.
DeleteIf we did have a change if guard re team management and a hardened pro coach came in with no previous link to the club, it would be fascinating to see who that person would and would not select
Or even Blatherwick
DeleteJake Ball probably deserves a week off but who would you replace him with? Fletch has to return, with Evison injured(??). Switch Sweeney Todd with High Chappelle. It's looking a bit bleak unless someone finds some form.
ReplyDeleteNeed a pitch doctor, then play three spinners.
Speaking of pitch doctor, I’ve not seen Ron Alsop on the ground for a long time, any news anyone?
DeleteNot sure, loved Ron
ReplyDeleteHappy memories !
By the way applause for the 100 for this thread !
Clearly we do still care about our county who seem to be in the doldrums big time
First time we've had 100 or more comments on one post / match. I guess folk have missed the cricket and the emotions that it stirs.
DeleteAppears BIG Fletch is out the next two games. Who knows what the tactics will be to suit our popgun attack. Even last seasons plan of preparing a day3 turner from the outset and bringing in the brilliant Ravi Ashwin backfired on us as batters suddenly decided they couldn't play spin either. Blatherwick seems to have disappeared somewhat and then there's always the Chappel of rest conundrum? At least the Head Coach admits the fast bowling options are "somewhere short of where we need to be" Guess this is what happens when Milns, Seabiscuit(Wood) and Coughlin all decide to up sticks to different counties and you replace them with a medium pacer aged 39 and a bowler released by Middlesex who hadn't taken a FC wicket prior to this game. What about a good old Mick Newell 'result' pitch of pure desperation, where the games done and dusted in 2 and a half days, battings a complete lottery for everyone but you just hope someone can slog a quick 70 that gives you an over par score of 220. I'm sure all the Nottsview faithful will recall those games when we were desperate for a result ?
ReplyDeleteJames Weighell has gone on loan from Durham to Leicester he would have been a good signing for us, but unfortunately Notts missed the boat. Just as they did with David Bedingham who was playing for Plumtree last season and also keeps wicket. Never even given a trial by a seconds last season and then scores 77 on his debut for Durham this week. Never mind maybe Chappell might take a wicket this weekend!
ReplyDeleteNo Fletcher for two more games either. Jake Ball will be run into the ground unless Zak Chappell and or Tom Barber workout what they are supposed to do when they have ball in hand. Is Joey Evison going to be fit for Saturday? 4 years ago we were the envy of most of the other 17 counties with the thorough-bred seam bowlers that we had stabled at Trent Bridge. Now we open the bowling with a 39 year old nag medium paced trundler who's just escaped from the glue factory.
DeleteNo doubt both Slater and Weighell have been loaned out for nowt, unless Leicester have found an Alan Sugar daddy to provide some much needed funds.
DeleteIn Weighell's case, he has suffered numerous injuries, and the last time I saw him on Murdoch TV ,he was well down on pace.
Having said that, if you had to choose between him and Chapple then the decision is an easy one.
On the wicket keeper issue, Mr Moores , I am sure, would not want to sign a local keeper who would undoubtedly expose the shortcomings of his son, with both bat and gloves.
What a complete and utter mess! Looking back reckon this really stems from lack of preparation and foresight in 2015/16 for the expected retirement in 2017 of a world class keeper and captain in Chris Reed. Post Read has seen the departure of quality players either deciding first class cricket wasn’t for them or that their future lay with other countries. Would be interesting to know what were all their real reasons for leaving.
ReplyDeleteI could go on for days but briefly in my view this started when we chose to dismantle our fine championship-winning side of 2010 before the champagne was even flat. In particular with Ryan Sidebottom in the side we would I firmly believe have won at least one if not two or even three further championships in the subsequent seasons. Instead we had to watch Ryan and his Yorkshire team mates at Trent Bridge celebrating his/their third championship in five years - that is five years after we refused to give him a three year contract (but instead recruited a very lovely and entertaining but non-wicket-taking bowler who was two years OLDER than Sid).
DeleteOne 40 over win and I think 1 20/20 finals day from 2011 to 2015 represented continual underachievement for our club and personnel. But then came the shameful performance in 2016. Even without it being the sixth year of underachievement the manager/coach should have gone after that debacle but he was kicked upstairs and is blighting the team still.
We now know that the glorious one day form of 2017 was the blip and the miserable embarrassing 2016 form is the norm. Indeed it got much worse in 2019 culminating in an inability to score 12 off 12 balls in a 20/20 with 8 wickets in hand. Yet the response to that, which even this committee publicly acknowledges was "unacceptable" was more of the same.
All credit to Derbyshire and I am proud of the gracious response to their fine efforts on here but the list of the qualities which gave them their wonderful last day performance and thus their fine victory: belief, commitment, individually and to the collective cause, sense - general and tactical, mental strength, professionalism, pride, sheer bloody-mindedness, identifying and seizing the key moments, refusing to be distracted or diverted or chastened by setbacks or to accept the "inevitable", and ruthlessness when they had an advantage - causes a Notts fan to squirm.
A totally brilliant summing up Anon. Whoever you are pls keep posting again with your fantastic cricket knowledge and logic of our dire situation
DeleteLeadership was the issue in 2016 and leadership has remained an issue ever-since.
DeleteAll these fine and indeed accurate words / analyses are useless without some positive ACTIONS. Our Committee has much to answer for because the buck stops with them. Chairman Richard and his merry band of comrades clearly care little about cricket and more about their own friendships and comaraderie - and perhaps some of the perks that go with their positions.
ReplyDeleteHow can Jason Gallian and his cricket Committee be made to account for their efforts? And Jason will soon have to make a clear decision whether to remain on the Committee once he officially becomes an employee of the Club - he is already sailing close to the wind ethically, I believe.
The Committeee employ all of the staff - so if they can HIRE them what stops them FIRING them?
Ultimately, of course, we remain a MEMBERS CLUB - so one has to presume that the majority of members are content - very few ever Vote and even even less are active in trying to achieve positive changes.
When the ECB says "jump" OUR Committee ask "how high?" - they are puppets of the ECB.
So, surely someone with some clout can help galvanise all of this unhappiness and discontent - surely???
PJ you have character assassinated the wrong target. Jason Gallian is innocent of all your unfounded charges. Try another former opening batsman, we have a long list.
Delete'Nottsviewer' - Jason is on the Cricket Committee! What makes you think that he is beyond criticism? When did he last speak up at either a Members Forum or AGM?
DeleteJason Gallian lives in Stebbing, Essex and works at Felsted School. He is not on the Notts Committee. You have confused him with someone else.
DeleteI think he means Bickers ( Darren Bicknall) not JG, unless he is no longer on the committee.
DeleteCoaches the u15s for the Notts Cricket Board which will soon come under NCCC. Being on the NCCC committee and being an employee of NCCC will be a problem for Mr Bicknell but it's not something of his own doing. As a committee member, I am told he one that is resistant to changes of managerial personnel.
DeleteI'm sure there's a sad joke there involving: puppets, ECB holding purse-strings and Ms Pursehouse
ReplyDeleteOf course I meant to say Darren Bicknell - apologies to Jason (in 1996 he hammered 312 against Derbyshire, the highest score at Old Trafford - but grew increasingly disenchanted and moved to Nottinghamshire in pursuit of new challenges at the end of the following season. He was subsequently appointed Notts Captain but continued to be dogged by injury).
ReplyDeleteMy concerns regarding Bicknell as an ex-player (and certainly a good one when looking at the present squad) is that he surely knows that things are not right and haven't been for some time now but he DOES act as a Coach and remains on the cricket Committee - so he too has to share perhaps a greater degree of accountability than the non-Cricket Committeee Committee Members. His position ass a Coach (albeit not, as yet, directly employed by the Club) and a Committee member COULD be regarded as being a conflict of interests, although I would have hoped that his far greater knowledge and insight than mine would have seen him speaking out and joining together with other concerned Committee members who would like to have seen a new Chairman before now and the DoC, especially, being removed from his Post. Darren appears well-liked and popular but is that more as a result of 'past glories' as a player than his abilities as a Committee member?